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fernando 7th October 2019 03:03 PM

MARKS OF ARMOURERS, SWORDSMITHS AND GUNSMITHS
 
Our fellow member corrado 26 was most kind to provide us with all 123 pages of the great work by Dudley Hawtrey Gyngell, Compilation of known Marks of Armourers, Swordsmiths and Gunsmiths.
So all book pages will be uploaded in the next 11 posts.
Just please wait till they are all in.
Thank you very much Udo, for sharing such precious material :cool: .


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corrado26 7th October 2019 04:18 PM

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Ans last but not least the pages with the content

fernando 7th October 2019 06:33 PM

Excelent Udo; nice work :cool: .

vilhelmsson 7th October 2019 06:43 PM

Wow! Thank you to you both for your hard work on this. This is very helpful.

There were a lot of pages to scan and I noticed some duplicates and some missing pages. Do you happen to have the following pages? (There also might be errors in my tracking of the missing!)

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43-48
109

CutlassCollector 7th October 2019 07:56 PM

Thanks Udo.

Just adding thanks for the effort involved.
This will be a great resource.

Regards,
CC

MacCathain 8th October 2019 12:48 AM

Thank you, Udo. A wealth of information.

Fernando: Will this become a sticky?

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fernando 8th October 2019 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCathain
...Fernando: Will this become a sticky?...

Let the thread stay in the "New Posts" front page until it goes down and out.
Then we move it to the "Classic Threads" sticky.

fernando 8th October 2019 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vilhelmsson
Wow! Thank you to you both for your hard work on this. This is very helpful.

There were a lot of pages to scan and I noticed some duplicates and some missing pages. Do you happen to have the following pages? (There also might be errors in my tracking of the missing!)

7
43-48
109

Could you please be more specific, Vihelmsson ?
Like, in which country are the duplicates and the missing ones ?

or ... Would you confirm the duplicates in Spain:
80-81-82-83-83-84-89-89-89-86-87-90-90-95-9693-94-101-10291-99-100-97-98-108.
Correct ?

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MForde 8th October 2019 02:29 PM

An excellent resource, thank you!

corrado26 8th October 2019 05:09 PM

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and here come the missing pages 43,48 and 109:

vilhelmsson 8th October 2019 05:27 PM

Thank you Corrado and Fernando.

I am not concerned about the duplicates. I mentioned it in passing as a possible cause for the missing pages as someone who has had professionally to scan a lot of documents myself :) However, from my recollection, the duplicates were in Spain.

The following pages are still missing:
7
44
45
46
47

And, again, of course, I am very grateful for your posting this! I think I've bought more books over the past 6 months than arms.

corrado26 8th October 2019 06:05 PM

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page 7 is included since yesterday. Here there are the pages 44, 45, 46, 47
Happy sacanning!
corrado26

vilhelmsson 8th October 2019 07:44 PM

Thank you. This is amazing :D

vilhelmsson 11th October 2019 07:23 PM

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In the interest of science and the arts, I combined and ordered the scanned images into a single pdf which is attached hereto.

Jim McDougall 11th October 2019 08:01 PM

Udo, I wanted to join in thanking you so much for taking the time and effort to add this most valuable resource here. As someone obsessed with blade markings for more years than I can accurately say, this reference has been a mainstay for me, and its great to see it made available for those out there either 'new to the game' or without this handy.

It has provided a most important benchmark in the study of markings, and important as we try to identify marks often seen on blades we encounter.

Vilhelmsson, thank you for your entry in streamlining this as well.

Very much appreciated guys!!!

fernando 11th October 2019 08:42 PM

Thank you for the kind words, Jim ;) .

corrado26 12th October 2019 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall
Udo, I wanted to join in thanking you so much for taking the time and effort to add this most valuable resource here.

I'm glad to have been able to help you Jim in your never ending search for knowledge. And my thanks too to Wilhelmsson for bringing the pages into the right order.

Victrix 12th October 2019 10:21 AM

Many thanks Corrado. We salute you!

fernando 13th November 2019 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by fernando
Let the thread stay in the "New Posts" front page until it goes down and out.
Then we move it to the "Classic Threads" sticky.

DONE

Ibrahiim al Balooshi 13th November 2019 12:53 PM

Brilliant corrado 26, et al.... this is obviously an old book and full of real gems for the weapons enthusiast. I noted at page 9 how the mistake of the fox appeared in this early document and has been repeated down the ages since as the Shotley Bridge mark when it is Samuel Harveys from Birmingham occasionally accompanied by the initial SH inside the Fox.

Did anyone notice that the andrea ferrara mark on pge 72 is noted as the swordmaker under that name workng at bulluna Italy. this goes some way to proving that the man actually existed ?

Ibrahiim al Balooshi 13th November 2019 01:03 PM

:shrug:

fernando 13th November 2019 04:43 PM

What i have i read out there ...
 
... Celebri furono i maestri spadari come Pietro da Formegan, Giandonato Ferara (fratello del più noto Andrea) *, e i fratelli Giorgio e Giuseppe Giorgiutti da Agordo, dei quali si possono ammirare due bellissimi spadoni a due mani nella Sala d’armi del Consiglio dei Dieci a Palazzo Ducale a Venezia.

Il più noto tra i maestri spadari è però il già citato Andrea Ferara da Fonzaso, attivo nella seconda metà del Cinquecento. Le sue spade con l’elegantissimo fornimento “a tre vie” fecero epoca e da questo fornimento Ferara elaborò anche la gabbia del primo tipo di Schiavona. **

Importante, dunque, fu il ruolo del Bellunese nel mercato europeo delle armi bianche, tanto da far spesso temibile concorrenza a famose città quali Solingen e Passau, con le quali ebbe anche una controversa “guerra dei marchi”. Uno dei marchi più usato dai Bellunesi per lame di pregio era infatti il lupo, che però l’arciduca Alberto aveva già concesso come segno di riconoscimento agli armaioli di Passau fin dal 1349. Difficile dire se fosse stato scelto di proposito, come fecero gli spadari di Solingen, per sfruttare la fama della città concorrente. Ma se così fosse, consoliamoci all’idea che anche il nome di Andrea Ferara veniva spesso contraffatto in Germania su lame destinate al mercato inglese.***

* Andrea's brother ...

** In a very rough translation ...
However, the best known of the Spadari masters is the aforementioned Andrea Ferara da Fonzaso, active in the second half of the sixteenth century. His swords with the very elegant "three-way" hilt (?) made an epoche and from this hilt Ferara also elaborated the cage of the first type of Schiavona

*** But if it were, it is comforting the idea that the name of Andrea Ferara was counterfeited in Germany on blades destined to the English market.

(Courtesy Millo Bozzolan · Published 2015)


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