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RSWORD 29th August 2020 02:30 PM

Seeking translation assistance on Indian sword stamp
 
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This sword has a few interesting features. The first is the stamp with Arabic inscription. I make out the numerals 1110 which would translate to roughly around 1688 on the Western calendar which seems a bit early for this blade but maybe not. Perhaps the date is based on a different calendar. Am hoping the inscription provides additional insights. This blade also has the faux European markings but the stamping is about as clear and precise as I have seen. Finally, the hilt motif is very interesting. The fish style motif seems to be a very strong Asian influence.

Looking forward to thoughts and hopefully a translation on the stamp. Thank you.

Norman McCormick 29th August 2020 04:28 PM

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Hi,
Stamps are quite reminiscent of these. This one belongs to Jens.
Regards,
Norman.

Norman McCormick 29th August 2020 04:29 PM

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Hi,
This one belongs to me.
Regards,
Norman.

ariel 29th August 2020 06:01 PM

I think it is 1115.

Ian 29th August 2020 09:18 PM

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Perhaps this is easier to read. I think Ariel is right about the date--converts to 1698 Gregorian.

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RSWORD 30th August 2020 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman McCormick
Hi,
Stamps are quite reminiscent of these. This one belongs to Jens.
Regards,
Norman.


Yes, Jens example also has the Faux European markings but I noticed under the langet his example also has a stamped cartouche. Would be interesting to see if they have similar translations.

RSWORD 30th August 2020 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman McCormick
Hi,
This one belongs to me.
Regards,
Norman.


Nice looking sword. Thanks for sharing and good to see another example of this blade mark.

RSWORD 30th August 2020 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian
Perhaps this is easier to read. I think Ariel is right about the date--converts to 1698 Gregorian.

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Thanks Ian. Yes, that does make it easier and hopefully someone will be able to translate.

RSWORD 30th August 2020 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel
I think it is 1115.


Thanks Ariel.

Jens Nordlunde 31st August 2020 11:48 AM

Nice tulwar.
The text in the round staamp says 'Ibrahim'.

RSWORD 1st September 2020 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde
Nice tulwar.
The text in the round staamp says 'Ibrahim'.


Thanks Jen. I appreciate the info on the stamp on your blade. Hopefully someone will be able to translate mine.

mariusgmioc 1st September 2020 02:03 PM

Hello,
The date in the cartouche may have a different meaning, like the year when the swordsmith shop was founded... maybe... :shrug:

A.alnakkas 1st September 2020 04:44 PM

Hey Rick,

I cant understand but I can transliterate

I think it says عالمكمرث

or

عالمكرث

Alamkarth or Alamkamarth


Beautiful sword btw

kwiatek 1st September 2020 05:22 PM

It says

عالمگیر شاهی ‌۱۱۱۵

“ ‘Alamgir Shahi 1115”

‘Alamgir was the regnal name of Aurangzeb and the title ‘Alamgir Shahi was used for officers in his service. The year 1115 AH = 1703-4 AD.

RSWORD 1st September 2020 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kwiatek
It says

عالمگیر شاهی ‌۱۱۱۵

“ ‘Alamgir Shahi 1115”

‘Alamgir was the regnal name of Aurangzeb and the title ‘Alamgir Shahi was used for officers in his service. The year 1115 AH = 1703-4 AD.


Thank you very much Kwiatek! This is very helpful information and really nails down the time period for this blade.

mariusgmioc 2nd September 2020 10:19 AM

Anyhow, these blades are are looking great... excepting that they appear to be somehow over-cleaned.

Also considering their age, there is a good chance they are wootz.

So, if they were mine, I would do some polishing and etching to try and reveal the wootz pattern (if there is any), or to give the blade some patina, more consistent with its age.

Norman McCormick 2nd September 2020 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc
Anyhow, these blades are are looking great... excepting that they appear to be somehow over-cleaned.



Hi,
I suspect you are referring to the sword that belongs to me. I would heartily agree with you but unfortunately in this case the hilt of the sword was covered in black and gold paint and the blade had been attacked with a grinder hence the 'restoration' process was a lot more agressive than normal.
Regards,
Norman.

mariusgmioc 4th September 2020 09:09 AM

Hello Norman,

Yes, I know that sometimes the blade needs some additional polishing to remove the scars from previous abuse.

It still is a lovely blade! :)


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