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Rick 19th June 2021 02:45 PM

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One from the Keris world.

thomas hauschild 19th June 2021 07:19 PM

Barong , cojang and sikin-parang
 
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My favourites

David 19th June 2021 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick (Post 263713)
One from the Keris world.

That is indeed a beaut Rick. And extraordinary pamor pattern paired with an unusual patterned pendok. Love it! :)

David 19th June 2021 07:36 PM

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Here is another from the keris world, this one from Sumatra.

A. G. Maisey 20th June 2021 12:58 AM

Exceptional indeed Rick, and David, your example is about as good as it gets within its type also.

JustYS 20th June 2021 03:12 AM

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One from the Keris world.

Gorgeous Keris Rick, is that Unthuk Banyu pamor?

Also the pendok is amazing.

JustYS 20th June 2021 03:14 AM

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My humble collection: Surakarta and Madura

Rick 20th June 2021 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JustYS (Post 263730)
Gorgeous Keris Rick, is that Unthuk Banyu pamor?

Also the pendok is amazing.

It could be Unthuk Banyu Justy; my Western mind sees it as balls of string, and I have forgotten so much over the years. So many names and classifications for these patterns . :o

A. G. Maisey 20th June 2021 08:20 AM

This pamor of yours is Lawe Setukel, Rick.

Lawe Setukel means "tangled thread".

This particular form, and there are a number of ways for this pamor to be interpreted, is East Javanese.

It is a very, very select pamor, very few people are able to survive having custody of this pamor, it causes confusion in daily life, forgetfulness, and difficulty in completing tasks that have been planned and should be simple to perform.

There is a tale of an Indonesian Government Minister who was desperate to obtain a particular keris that had this pamor. He eventually did obtain it after great effort, and promptly went insane.

It is generally agreed that the safest course to take if one finds oneself in possession of a keris with Lawe Setukel pamor is to give it to somebody of advanced age, preferably over the age of eighty, for safe keeping.

The reasoning behind this is that these people of advanced age have so little to lose anyway that the evil force contained in Lawe Setukel pamor cannot bring itself to attack them.

Kubur 20th June 2021 11:30 AM

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Hi Guys

What about this stuff?

:confused:

Rick 20th June 2021 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey (Post 263734)
This pamor of yours is Lawe Setukel, Rick.

Lawe Setukel means "tangled thread".

This particular form, and there are a number of ways for this pamor to be interpreted, is East Javanese.

It is a very, very select pamor, very few people are able to survive having custody of this pamor, it causes confusion in daily life, forgetfulness, and difficulty in completing tasks that have been planned and should be simple to perform.

There is a tale of an Indonesian Government Minister who was desperate to obtain a particular keris that had this pamor. He eventually did obtain it after great effort, and promptly went insane.

It is generally agreed that the safest course to take if one finds oneself in possession of a keris with Lawe Setukel pamor is to give it to somebody of advanced age, preferably over the age of eighty, for safe keeping.

The reasoning behind this is that these people of advanced age have so little to lose anyway that the evil force contained in Lawe Setukel pamor cannot bring itself to attack them.

Now, he tells me. :rolleyes:
The dementia pamor. :eek:

A. G. Maisey 20th June 2021 01:12 PM

Better late than never Rick.

I was 80 last February --- always willing to help out an old mate.

Rafngard 20th June 2021 08:04 PM

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If things from the Pamor side of the world are fair game now on this thread, he's a few favorites from my collection.

Have fun,
Leif

DaveA 22nd June 2021 05:05 AM

XRF Availability
 
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Originally Posted by Ian (Post 263577)
Lee raises a very good point about the usefulness of X-Ray Fluorescence (XRF) in assessing the elemental composition of blades. While there are some technical issues with detecting certain elements, the technique is non-destructive and well suited to analyzing the surface of weapons. It offers important insight, for example, into the metals used in old blades. Look forward to seeing what the results turn up, Lee.

I assume that I cannot just order an XRF from Amazon. How does one obtain access to such a scientific instrument? Is there a home-built hack for this tech? Could be handy!

David 22nd June 2021 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveA (Post 263771)
I assume that I cannot just order an XRF from Amazon. How does one obtain access to such a scientific instrument? Is there a home-built hack for this tech? Could be handy!

Just google them Dave. They are many companies making these and they are very easy to obtain...if you have a spare $15-20,000 laying around. LOL! :D

Lee 22nd June 2021 02:23 PM

XRF
 
Dave, there are a number of companies that offer short term rentals of these instruments as they may be used for environmental toxin detection and also for minerals prospecting. Very often junkyards and brokers in precious metals will have units and they may be an economical source for a few scans of a particular object. The hard part, ultimately, may be interpreting the data.

RSWORD 22nd June 2021 06:56 PM

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Two of my favorite blades to add to the mix.

Battara 25th June 2021 01:08 AM

Rick love that pattern weld! :D

JBG163 25th June 2021 08:33 PM

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Here is mine

Battara 26th June 2021 02:18 AM

I would LOVE a pattern laminated (or wootz) kora! :D

Indio_Ira 8th July 2021 03:55 AM

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Here's three of mines.

A straight kris

Budiak moro spear

and a Kampilan.

Will post more detailed photos of each blades and spear to gain knowledge from all of you.

Thanks!


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